Under populism the feeling is very strong that they work for us — and they answer to us. And with these mainstream administrations — whether it’s Obama, Biden, George W. Bush, … — it’s like: well, the wise men are running the government, so we need to sit by quietly and let them do their important work.

John Kiriakou , Joe Rogan Experience #2392 , 2:13:05 – 2:13:38 (image clipped @ 2:12:40)